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Dave Thomer
Guardian of Peace and Justice in the Galaxy
posted 12-20-2000 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Thomer   Click Here to Email Dave Thomer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom Mallon contributes this update's new Music article, an inside look at how the music press can get caught up in -- and then violently reject --promotional hype. Check it out here, then come back for the conversation.

I’m reading Tom’s article, and I’m thinking two things – 1) Being paranoid with the press is something that always comes back to bite you, and 2) Someone needs to set up a reviewer of reviewers, because finding one you can trust can be a major pain the butt. We trust reviewers to intelligently evaluate products and give us useful information about them, but I have to wonder just how often the reviewers in question don’t have anywhere near the knowledge, time or experience needed to do that job the way it should be. I had a brief career in journalism before I went back to academia, and I worked for both a PR firm and for a technology trade magazine. I was amazed at how much effort my PR firm put into wooing and managing software reviewers, making sure their questions were answered, their problems solved, and their possible biases and peeves addressed. Then I got to the magazine, where within a week or two I was writing reviews of sophisticated and expensive technology that corporations would be buying for their telecommunications operations – often without seeing the product at all, relying on a press release and an interview with the product manager. (And if I did manage to get my hands on a sample of the product, it was often accompanied by free T shirts, hats, mugs, shirts, etc., etc. . . . no tasty finger sandwiches, though. Darn it.) Some of these articles were for the Editors’ Choice section, a distinction that would soon find its way into the product advertising. In fairness, the magazine was in the process of building a testing lab, so maybe things got better after I left . . . but it just drove home that most reviews require a salt mine or two. Just because someone can get himself on “Live with Regis and Someone Other Than Kathie Lee” doesn’t make him an authority on anything other than getting to talk to Regis Philbin . . . and a few well placed toll-free calls will let you do that yourself.

Of course, if we say something’s good, that you can take to the bank.

[This message has been edited by Dave Thomer (edited 05-23-2001).]

Pattie Gillett
True Believer
posted 12-20-2000 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pattie Gillett   Click Here to Email Pattie Gillett     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First let me preface my response with the following key point about me:

Everything I know about Radiohead I learned from reading Tom’s article. Not only do my musical tastes differ drastically from the rest of the TINN staffers, I am quite lax at staying abreast of the popular music scene. I’m not given to perusing music magazines. If I do catch a music review, it’s usually from my local newspaper, which is not exactly the cutting edge of the music world. That said, after I read this piece I had the overwhelming urge to paraphrase my hero Josh Lyman “This is the way the world works?” Call me naïve but this really bites. I don’t see the value of hanging the future of a CD’s success on groups of people you’re filling with large amounts if alcohol but then I’ve always been conservative in that area.

Moreover, I have a love-hate relationship with those in the “review business,” that is, people who write reviews about music, food, movies, and books for a living. For one thing, I’m extremely jealous that they have found themselves in these exquisite existences and can call them jobs. How much would you like to tell the IRS that Gourmet magazine pays you to scour the universe for the perfect steak? Or that the New York Times demands that you arrange your life around watching movies. Or course, the down side to this is that you have to eat many, many bad steaks and watch many, many films starring Jennifer Love Hewitt.

Personally, I live in fear of just how much I am influenced by these people. How much is my desire to see a movie influenced by the snippet of a review I heard during my morning drive? Would I have bought that Alan Jackson CD if the reporter from the Daily News had not said it was great? How many of the books on my Amazon wish list are there because Oprah liked them? (Thankfully, on that last one, none, but you get my point.)

I’m grateful for Tom’s insights in to the review business because, with all of discussions about the power of the media, this is one area we often overlook. Just as our local evening news like to grab our attention with “leads that bleed,” reviewers need to catch our attention with catch phrases, rating systems, or overly showy adjectives and exclamation points about the merits or faults of their subjects. Perhaps incidents such as the Radiohead backlash could be kept at a minimum if the reviewers didn’t feel so compelled to fill their pages with words like “ambient” and simply stated their (actual) opinions. Of course, it’s a lot harder to justify your exquisite, finger-sandwich-eating existence to readers and the IRS if you don’t make your reviews sound a little artsy-fartsy.

The bottom line, reviews are the opinions of someone you could just as easily think was a dork. TINN has done comic reviews and plans to do television and music reviews of its own in upcoming issues. These reviews are little else but the opinions, however well thought out, of a group of people who are paying for a tiny slice of cyberspace to broadcast it. We could be dorks, too.
As final note, I do have to laugh at the irony of this whole situation. “Mighty” Napster, eh? Now there’s power and influence for you.

Kevin Ott
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posted 12-20-2000 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin Ott   Click Here to Email Kevin Ott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the film-review biz, when studios won’t give advance screenings it’s usually a sign that the release is a real dog. I’m not sure if it’s the same for music reviewers, but Tom’s article seems to indicate that there’s some similarity.

The Radiohead thing seems like a fairly safe bet on the record label’s part; as Tom said, the success of OK Computer set up the party as a pretty sure shot that people would come off with a good impression of the album – unless it was a drastic departure.

I’ve heard of places – usually record stores and clubs – having listening parties before, on the night of a new release. I’ve been to midnight sales, but never a listening party, and it really sounds like a lot of fun. To do something like Tom describes, though, seems a cheap shot.

To get a feel for a new album requires quite a bit of work; listening to it by itself, using it as background music, playing it for friends, and any number of possible situations that could include listening to a record, nevermind looking at the lyric sheet. Hearing a new album over the din of a roomful of conversation won’t give you that.

Dave Thomer
Guardian of Peace and Justice in the Galaxy
posted 12-22-2000 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Thomer   Click Here to Email Dave Thomer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to make it clear I'm not going on a bash-all-reviewers rant here. I'm saying that I think people have to do some digging to find reviewers whose judgment they trust and they are confident have had the chance to properly appreciate the material. I've relied on ZDnet's computer and software reviews quite a bit, and have found them generally reliable, for example.

The other thing is that the makers of that which is reviewed have a responsibility to keep the system honest -- if they try and game it too much, or they stack the decklike Radiohead did, they run the risk of reducing the power of reviewers to get the word out about those things that deserve mentioning.

slgorman
One of the Regulars
posted 01-04-2001 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for slgorman   Click Here to Email slgorman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That last sentense by Dave brings to mind all those movie review sound bites in ads, both TV and posters, with the good review comments about the bad movie made by people you've never heard of for magazines/papers you didn't know existed. You know, instead of "Ebert says thumbs up--Ebert at the Movies" its more like "Joe Schmoe says its a the best movie of the year--Weekly Rag." Turns out I heard that most of these said unheard of people and media outlets are ususally "bribed" in a way to say something nice so the PR dept can put something gleeming about the movie in their press stuff.

I alway remember to recall who it is telling me I need something, whether it be a ticket to a movie, a car, or an electronic gadget. I've been burned [a lot], but if you consistantly follow one reviewer (or media outlet) you can figure out pretty fast who you tend to agree with and who you don't. Because even if you don't agree with the reviewer, but you know that up front, it can still be helpful for you. You'll know to avoid whatever that one is hocking.

Dave Thomer
Guardian of Peace and Justice in the Galaxy
posted 01-04-2001 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Thomer   Click Here to Email Dave Thomer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slgorman:
Turns out I heard that most of these said unheard of people and media outlets are ususally "bribed" in a way to say something nice so the PR dept can put something gleeming about the movie in their press stuff.

There are some places, like Sixty Second Preview, that I am pretty sure exist for the sole purpose of giving positive reviews. Other times, it seems like the PR promotion just combs the wires until it finds a small paper or TV station that liked it, and trumps up that quote. And of course there's always the ellipsis thing.

slgorman
One of the Regulars
posted 01-04-2001 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for slgorman   Click Here to Email slgorman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sound bites are so lame.

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Would I have bought that Alan Jackson CD if the reporter from the Daily News had not said it was great?

You don't mean this Daily News do you? Because I know someone who works there and that would just be too wierd.

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