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	<title>Comments on: Blogging Dewey: Dewey and Religion</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Thomer</title>
		<link>http://www.notnews.org/philosophy/blogging-dewey-dewey-and-religion.html#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Thomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, thanks for the response.

I know what you're saying about Dewey and awe. I get the sense that Dewey himself had that sense of awe when he looked at the network of complex relationships and possibilities that make up the world of experience, but not everyone is going to feel that way - not even every pragmatist, which is probably where William James comes into the picture. Finding some way to thread James' needle - to hold a belief in some kind of supernatural world while not conradicting any belief in the natural world - is a difficult feat in itself. 

What Dewey's notion doesn't have, though, is a sense of teleology, a notion that things are happening for a reason and that there's a higher purpose that it all fits into. (Obama called it the need for a narrative structure in that speech he gave last week.) The indeterminancy of nature is central to Dewey, and I imagine that's why many people don't find the comfort in Dewey's vision that I do. I don't know how to get an adult with an established world view to give up the security that comes with his or her world view, even though I see the value of trying. But I have a hunch that this is one of the reasons Dewey was so concerned with education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, thanks for the response.</p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re saying about Dewey and awe. I get the sense that Dewey himself had that sense of awe when he looked at the network of complex relationships and possibilities that make up the world of experience, but not everyone is going to feel that way - not even every pragmatist, which is probably where William James comes into the picture. Finding some way to thread James&#8217; needle - to hold a belief in some kind of supernatural world while not conradicting any belief in the natural world - is a difficult feat in itself. </p>
<p>What Dewey&#8217;s notion doesn&#8217;t have, though, is a sense of teleology, a notion that things are happening for a reason and that there&#8217;s a higher purpose that it all fits into. (Obama called it the need for a narrative structure in that speech he gave last week.) The indeterminancy of nature is central to Dewey, and I imagine that&#8217;s why many people don&#8217;t find the comfort in Dewey&#8217;s vision that I do. I don&#8217;t know how to get an adult with an established world view to give up the security that comes with his or her world view, even though I see the value of trying. But I have a hunch that this is one of the reasons Dewey was so concerned with education.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd's Hammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd's Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Putting Religion in Its Place&lt;/strong&gt;

Religion should be seen as one of the humanities, akin to an art.  Religion is a &#8220;meaning-maker&#8221; that for thousands of years has been mis-apprehended as a &#8220;truth-spring&#8221;, a source of empirical truth.  The problem with religion a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Putting Religion in Its Place</strong></p>
<p>Religion should be seen as one of the humanities, akin to an art.  Religion is a &#8220;meaning-maker&#8221; that for thousands of years has been mis-apprehended as a &#8220;truth-spring&#8221;, a source of empirical truth.  The problem with religion a&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bkyu</title>
		<link>http://www.notnews.org/philosophy/blogging-dewey-dewey-and-religion.html#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>bkyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking a look at my blog and engaging those ideas here.  I'm deeply interested in Dewey's naturalism and his view of cognition and meaning-production.  I'm currently re-reading Experience and Nature and am basically coming out of my skin. Although the science of cognition has advanced a great deal since the 1920s, I'm amazed at how Dewey's philosophy (not to metion GH Mead's) corresponds to the current state of cognitive and evolutionary science.

I think that the key aspect of religion missing from Dewey's estimation is the experiential facet of "awe", or what cognitive sciences think of as the 'religious experience.'  It is a kind of consumatory experience (a finality, or end-in-itself) that when undergone seems to exceede the consumation of all other meanings.  The difficulty is to get the religious to step outside of their experience of "awe" or "spirit" to see how and why their brains are functioning in that way.  I agree with Colin McGinn that the world is as much (if not more so) wondrous after God as with God; and I also think that making the leap from the dogmatic and 'mysterious' meanings of old-style religion to new more rational types of religion that take into account both the obdurate world and our intensely pluralistic social world as we live it *now* to be of utmost importance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking a look at my blog and engaging those ideas here.  I&#8217;m deeply interested in Dewey&#8217;s naturalism and his view of cognition and meaning-production.  I&#8217;m currently re-reading Experience and Nature and am basically coming out of my skin. Although the science of cognition has advanced a great deal since the 1920s, I&#8217;m amazed at how Dewey&#8217;s philosophy (not to metion GH Mead&#8217;s) corresponds to the current state of cognitive and evolutionary science.</p>
<p>I think that the key aspect of religion missing from Dewey&#8217;s estimation is the experiential facet of &#8220;awe&#8221;, or what cognitive sciences think of as the &#8216;religious experience.&#8217;  It is a kind of consumatory experience (a finality, or end-in-itself) that when undergone seems to exceede the consumation of all other meanings.  The difficulty is to get the religious to step outside of their experience of &#8220;awe&#8221; or &#8220;spirit&#8221; to see how and why their brains are functioning in that way.  I agree with Colin McGinn that the world is as much (if not more so) wondrous after God as with God; and I also think that making the leap from the dogmatic and &#8216;mysterious&#8217; meanings of old-style religion to new more rational types of religion that take into account both the obdurate world and our intensely pluralistic social world as we live it *now* to be of utmost importance.</p>
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