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		<title>Comment on Lesson Plan in Progress: Alliances and World War I by Mike Kaechele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Kaechele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 02:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out this site with an alliance simulation already developed http://www.asn.am/fof2010/fof.php</description>
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		<title>Comment on A Fringe of Inquiry by Dave Thomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Thomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes the long way is exactly what you suggest - a refusal to acknowledge that things are different and, in some ways, easier. Take websites that will help you create properly formatted bibliographic citations. I haven&#039;t used them much, but from what I&#039;ve seen, they&#039;re awesome. I would never want to tell someone that they have to lug around a copy of the Chicago Manual of Style in order to figure out the proper way to cite a paper.

But sometimes the long way is like making your own pizza dough and sauce from scratch instead of heating up a frozen pizza or ordering from the place around the corner. In both cases, you have pizza at the end. But doing it the long way, you see how the pieces fit together. You see how you might need less water in the dough on a more humid day. You figure out that you really do like some extra oregano in the sauce before you put the cheese on. When that pizza comes out of the oven, it&#039;s yours in a way the frozen pizza never could be.

But back to your point, I don&#039;t bake my own sandwich rolls. That&#039;s more time and effort than I have to give for something that I can walk around the corner and buy. So part of what I&#039;m trying to figure out is the difference between the pizza and the rolls. Which long ways offer me a useful, deeper understanding? And which long ways are just going to leave me tired, frustrated, and probably covered in flour? And of course there&#039;s never one answer that you can give and be done with it.

Thanks for returning the favor. I appreciate the dialogue.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes the long way is exactly what you suggest &#8211; a refusal to acknowledge that things are different and, in some ways, easier. Take websites that will help you create properly formatted bibliographic citations. I haven&#8217;t used them much, but from what I&#8217;ve seen, they&#8217;re awesome. I would never want to tell someone that they have to lug around a copy of the Chicago Manual of Style in order to figure out the proper way to cite a paper.</p>
<p>But sometimes the long way is like making your own pizza dough and sauce from scratch instead of heating up a frozen pizza or ordering from the place around the corner. In both cases, you have pizza at the end. But doing it the long way, you see how the pieces fit together. You see how you might need less water in the dough on a more humid day. You figure out that you really do like some extra oregano in the sauce before you put the cheese on. When that pizza comes out of the oven, it&#8217;s yours in a way the frozen pizza never could be.</p>
<p>But back to your point, I don&#8217;t bake my own sandwich rolls. That&#8217;s more time and effort than I have to give for something that I can walk around the corner and buy. So part of what I&#8217;m trying to figure out is the difference between the pizza and the rolls. Which long ways offer me a useful, deeper understanding? And which long ways are just going to leave me tired, frustrated, and probably covered in flour? And of course there&#8217;s never one answer that you can give and be done with it.</p>
<p>Thanks for returning the favor. I appreciate the dialogue.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Fringe of Inquiry by Zac Chase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I like what you say here and it reminds me of a quotation from Ted Sizer, &quot;The best we educational planners can do is to create the conditions for teachers and students to flourish and get out of their way.&quot;

Throwing the fringe of anything into anything is rarely going to have the effects we hope for. Structuring and building toward those places makes the difference. It&#039;s not quite scaffolding. It&#039;s more laying the brick road between ideas.

As for there being something to say for doing things the long way, I want to know what that is. The long way was the long way because we didn&#039;t have a shorter way. That&#039;s okay. I could board a steamer for a trip to Europe, but I&#039;m not going to. I&#039;m going to get on a jet and fly there. What if we think of it differently? What if we think of the modern conveniences as giving our students access to the new long ways? Saying, &quot;You don&#039;t have to struggle with these pieces because I want you to be able to struggle with these more complicated pieces.&quot;

Most of the time when I hear or make the argument for going the long way &#039;round, it&#039;s rooted in a feeling of &quot;well, I had to learn it this way, so they should too, clearly it&#039;s the way to become X.&quot; I don&#039;t think it is. I think we became X through walking that path, but that path is grown over, folded up or otherwise indisposed. 

You&#039;ve made me think.

Thanks for doing that.

- Zac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I like what you say here and it reminds me of a quotation from Ted Sizer, &#8220;The best we educational planners can do is to create the conditions for teachers and students to flourish and get out of their way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Throwing the fringe of anything into anything is rarely going to have the effects we hope for. Structuring and building toward those places makes the difference. It&#8217;s not quite scaffolding. It&#8217;s more laying the brick road between ideas.</p>
<p>As for there being something to say for doing things the long way, I want to know what that is. The long way was the long way because we didn&#8217;t have a shorter way. That&#8217;s okay. I could board a steamer for a trip to Europe, but I&#8217;m not going to. I&#8217;m going to get on a jet and fly there. What if we think of it differently? What if we think of the modern conveniences as giving our students access to the new long ways? Saying, &#8220;You don&#8217;t have to struggle with these pieces because I want you to be able to struggle with these more complicated pieces.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of the time when I hear or make the argument for going the long way &#8217;round, it&#8217;s rooted in a feeling of &#8220;well, I had to learn it this way, so they should too, clearly it&#8217;s the way to become X.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think it is. I think we became X through walking that path, but that path is grown over, folded up or otherwise indisposed. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve made me think.</p>
<p>Thanks for doing that.</p>
<p>- Zac</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s Not the Tool, It&#8217;s the Craftsman by Dave Thomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Thomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 20:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment. You&#039;re right to bring up the effect on others in the classroom. There&#039;s definitely potential for distraction to spread throughout the group. I don&#039;t know how to get all (or most) students to agree on their obligations to their fellow classmates. I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s something you can impose with a policy or if it&#039;s something students need to build themselves.

You also have a good point that laptops and other devices do allow more potential for distractions than plain old paper, and I don&#039;t want to minimize that. There is some research that suggests that if students have laptops in a traditional lecture class, they retain less than students who don&#039;t have them. I think that points to two things. We&#039;re always going to have these devices, so we better learn to tune them out when we need to. And teachers are probably going to need to change the way they do things to account for the ways that our current society operates and communicates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment. You&#8217;re right to bring up the effect on others in the classroom. There&#8217;s definitely potential for distraction to spread throughout the group. I don&#8217;t know how to get all (or most) students to agree on their obligations to their fellow classmates. I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s something you can impose with a policy or if it&#8217;s something students need to build themselves.</p>
<p>You also have a good point that laptops and other devices do allow more potential for distractions than plain old paper, and I don&#8217;t want to minimize that. There is some research that suggests that if students have laptops in a traditional lecture class, they retain less than students who don&#8217;t have them. I think that points to two things. We&#8217;re always going to have these devices, so we better learn to tune them out when we need to. And teachers are probably going to need to change the way they do things to account for the ways that our current society operates and communicates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s Not the Tool, It&#8217;s the Craftsman by Saskia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saskia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the post, I agree with you that students were distracted without notebooks too.
However, the nice thing with notebooks they are more or less flat on the table, and the interaction of the student with the notebook is not unlike notetaking, in general. The problem I have, as a student, with fellow students using their laptops to do all kinds of things that are not related to the course is that the screens are upright and there are bright colours and moving things on them, so they keep attracting the eye. Whenever I am in a course, I try to sit as much to the front as possible in order to avoid this, but sometimes you still have students sitting in the very front row and doing heavens knows what. It is very annoying for me as a fellow students.
I think that students who are not interested in the course should either not attend or sit in the back where they do not distract other students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the post, I agree with you that students were distracted without notebooks too.<br />
However, the nice thing with notebooks they are more or less flat on the table, and the interaction of the student with the notebook is not unlike notetaking, in general. The problem I have, as a student, with fellow students using their laptops to do all kinds of things that are not related to the course is that the screens are upright and there are bright colours and moving things on them, so they keep attracting the eye. Whenever I am in a course, I try to sit as much to the front as possible in order to avoid this, but sometimes you still have students sitting in the very front row and doing heavens knows what. It is very annoying for me as a fellow students.<br />
I think that students who are not interested in the course should either not attend or sit in the back where they do not distract other students.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your Mission Statement, Should You Choose to Accept It by Dave Thomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Thomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stockholders, elected officials, community leaders . . . they&#039;re not that different. But I&#039;ve never been a fan of the mission statement. The heart&#039;s in the right place, but the execution usually falters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stockholders, elected officials, community leaders . . . they&#8217;re not that different. But I&#8217;ve never been a fan of the mission statement. The heart&#8217;s in the right place, but the execution usually falters.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lack of Respect One Fuel for Cheating Scandals by Dave Thomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Thomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple answers are rarely good answers. I&#039;ll take care of the challenges of unjust distribution of resources, failing infrastructure, poverty, curriculum design, and so on as soon as I&#039;m getting the mayor&#039;s, governor&#039;s, superintendent&#039;s, and school board chairman&#039;s salaries. No matter how strong a swimmer someone is, he&#039;ll always go further when he&#039;s swimming with the current. If the system is pushing you down instead of holding you up, there&#039;s a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple answers are rarely good answers. I&#8217;ll take care of the challenges of unjust distribution of resources, failing infrastructure, poverty, curriculum design, and so on as soon as I&#8217;m getting the mayor&#8217;s, governor&#8217;s, superintendent&#8217;s, and school board chairman&#8217;s salaries. No matter how strong a swimmer someone is, he&#8217;ll always go further when he&#8217;s swimming with the current. If the system is pushing you down instead of holding you up, there&#8217;s a problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lack of Respect One Fuel for Cheating Scandals by Joe K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple answer...  Because it&#039;s the teacher&#039;s job to take-on all challenges.

I believe the &quot;easy&quot; part is the good stuff (reaching a student, seeing them succeed, etc.).

To be a CNN &quot;hero&quot;...  Ya gotta wrestle in the mud a little!

Good luck!  With the good fight !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple answer&#8230;  Because it&#8217;s the teacher&#8217;s job to take-on all challenges.</p>
<p>I believe the &#8220;easy&#8221; part is the good stuff (reaching a student, seeing them succeed, etc.).</p>
<p>To be a CNN &#8220;hero&#8221;&#8230;  Ya gotta wrestle in the mud a little!</p>
<p>Good luck!  With the good fight !</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your Mission Statement, Should You Choose to Accept It by Earl Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got to be kidding me.  This sounds more like the kind of mission statement that&#039;s designed to placate stockholders.  But, like you said, try getting even so much as a dozen people to agree on the qualities of a successful classroom environment is probably too lofty a goal.  Better to just shoot for something nebulous like victory.  If the goal is described in such amorphous terms, there&#039;s no definition for whether or not you&#039;ve reached it, and that keeps the wolf on the other side of the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got to be kidding me.  This sounds more like the kind of mission statement that&#8217;s designed to placate stockholders.  But, like you said, try getting even so much as a dozen people to agree on the qualities of a successful classroom environment is probably too lofty a goal.  Better to just shoot for something nebulous like victory.  If the goal is described in such amorphous terms, there&#8217;s no definition for whether or not you&#8217;ve reached it, and that keeps the wolf on the other side of the door.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kicking the Tires by Dave Thomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Thomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the User tip. I did a first purge, I&#039;ll do a more detailed check to see if there&#039;s anyone with 0 comments that should be deleted. 

Consider your comment motivation to get the Amazon widget back into the sidebar. Is it showing up for you now?

I gotta say, the option to install updates automatically in WordPress is a nice touch. I&#039;m sure it&#039;ll be a lot easier to keep up with it if I have less FTPing to do. And if I keep up regular posting, I trust WordPress to be vigilant about reminding me to update.

I still have a small but significant number of things to transfer from the old phpBB forum, but then I&#039;ll be able to focus on one platform going forward.

Have you tried any of these new post options in WordPress 3? I am intrigued by the Gallery checkbox, but I have no idea how it works. Another experiment for another day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the User tip. I did a first purge, I&#8217;ll do a more detailed check to see if there&#8217;s anyone with 0 comments that should be deleted. </p>
<p>Consider your comment motivation to get the Amazon widget back into the sidebar. Is it showing up for you now?</p>
<p>I gotta say, the option to install updates automatically in WordPress is a nice touch. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;ll be a lot easier to keep up with it if I have less FTPing to do. And if I keep up regular posting, I trust WordPress to be vigilant about reminding me to update.</p>
<p>I still have a small but significant number of things to transfer from the old phpBB forum, but then I&#8217;ll be able to focus on one platform going forward.</p>
<p>Have you tried any of these new post options in WordPress 3? I am intrigued by the Gallery checkbox, but I have no idea how it works. Another experiment for another day.</p>
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