Archive for November 10th, 2005

Who Says We Overthink Things?

Posted November 10, 2005 By Dave Thomer

Two interesting posts tonight up at The Ethical Werewolf, Neil Sinhababu’s blog.

Up top is a brief post about the difference between good and evil:

what makes a person morally good is her intrinsic desire for the good of others. One can be a morally good person (or for that matter, a morally good dog) with any set of beliefs whatsoever. Evil people are particularly susceptible to some beliefs — if you have some deep-seated desire to harm black people, this desire can get some wishful thinking going when combined with a desire to only harm people who do bad things, generating a belief that black people do lots of bad things. This is the belief with which your desires are maximally satisfied. What really makes you evil in this case is the desire to harm black people, not the resultant belief.

I wonder a bit about this definition. It seems to me like you can be evil without actually wishing harm on people if you don’t care at all about how your actions affect them. And people can rationalize themselves into all manner of definitions of good that justify really destructive behavior. Plus there’s the issue of the responsibility that we have to make sure that our belief about what’s good for others actually is good for others. Although under Neil’s definition that might be part of truly wishing what’s good for others in the first place.

But there does seem to be something to the notion that someone who does a horrible thing out of noble intentions is more sympathetic and less horrible than otherwise. Maybe that’s people have a hard time ascribing noble intentions to their ideological opponents.

Right under that post, Neil rather brilliantly marries philosophy of language with the mysteries of dating:

Sadly, it’s not easy to conditionally hit on somebody. Here’s a straightforward example: “If you’re interested in me, then I think you’re really cute.” This, however, amounts to actual hitting on, whether or not the antecedent is satisfied. . . .
There’s one clear problem with conditional hitting-on. It evinces the same attitudes of sexual interest that are essential to actual hitting-on. So when you try to construct a case of conditional hitting-on, it immediately becomes a case of actual hitting-on.

For better or worse, this is definitely the kind of problem only a philosopher can have.

Credit Where It’s Due

Posted November 10, 2005 By Dave Thomer

The latest hit on my recurring Dewey search is this piece by Jonah Goldberg at the National Review Online. Despite his obvious disagreements with pragmatism, Goldberg generally does a good job of portraying the position and the critical areas of disagreement. (In another column he jokes that he is assistant treasurer of “the small club of He-Man Pragmatism-haters.”)

I do think the central point of his essay is wrong, but then I would, since I’m a pragmatist. Goldberg writes:

Am I crazy for seeing a conflict between these two views? Menand values the “realism” of Pragmatism which strips away metaphysical irrelevancies while he criticizes Kahn for failing to take into account the rich variety of moral, political, and cultural factors which prevent us from being able to predict how people will react in a calamity like nuclear war.

The problem, I think is that Goldberg is conflating “metaphysical irrelvancies” with “the rich variety of moral, political and cultural factors” in a way that he shouldn’t. A pragmatist who is realistic about the world is going to have observed the variety of beliefs people have and the ways that those beliefs motivate people’s actions. The pragmatist is then going to take those beliefs into account in any plan or prediction he or she wants to make about human behavior.

However, a pragmatist also argues that those moral, political and cultural factors can and do change, because the world is not eternally stable. And this, I think, is the part that Goldberg has a problem with, so I’m going to sidetrack myself for a second. I believe that Goldberg wants moral standards to be permanent, or at least very slow to change. He wants us to make decisions based on the things that we know are simply right, and we sure can’t do that very easily if what’s right is murky or keeps changing. And he has a point there. Pragmatists point out, though, that 1) there’s no reason to believe these absolute certainties exist, because the world sure does seem to change; 2) we’re not sure how we would know we had found them if we did find them; and 3) there seem to be a whole lot of people who are convinced that they have found them, but the certainties in question are mutually contradictory and sometimes run up against what our empirical investigation tells us about the world. (Galileo and Copernicus being two of the favorite examples trotted out on this score.)

So pragmatists are OK with the idea that our beliefs and practices have to change and evolve over time. They want to encourage people to critically examine their own beliefs and practices and see which ones have good reason for being there and which ones might actually work against us. They can say that we need to take certain beliefs and attitudes into account in our current planning even while they try to convince people not to have those beliefs and attitudes anymore. They acknowledge that there will be unintended and unforeseen consequences of this process, which is why the process is continual – a good solution to a problem in 1950 may have to be revised in 1970 and again in 1990, and a pragmatist is OK with that. At a fundamental level, I don’t think Goldberg is – he just doesn’t see the world that way. But it’s a fair debate to have.

On the other hand, Goldberg also tosses this in:

Under the influence of Dewey, the Pragmatists championed “experimentalism” which sought to treat every human endeavor like a laboratory experiment. Dewey transformed American education entirely and we live with the results today.

The first sentence is, I think, a too-harsh exaggeration. Dewey wanted us to make use of the method of science, but not treat each other as lab rats. As for the second sentence: I really wish I had gone to school in the world where everyone was following the Deweyan model of having students play an active role in the learning process. I spent twelve years sitting in desks listening to teachers lecture while my fellow students asked, “Will this be on the test?” and “What am I ever going to do with this?” I think I would have had more fun in that other world.

Update:
Roy at alicublog is considerably less charitable to Goldberg than I am. I’m willing to cut Goldberg some slack on the conflation I mentioned above because I’ve seen that mistake made so many times. There must be something about believing in absolute metaphysical certainties that makes people unable to understand the people who don’t.

Party Like It’s 1995

Posted November 10, 2005 By Dave Thomer

So I turned 30 last week. And around the same time, I’ve started seeing ads and trailers for the movie version of Rent. Now, I was in college in New York City in the summer of ’96, when the show premiered on Broadway. And back then, the show had a policy of reserving the front two rows of the theater for sale the day of the performance for 20 bucks. So if you were willing to wait in the line, you could see the show for cheap. Well, that summer and fall, you could not get away from Rent. One of my roommates was head of the campus theater group, and I think he saw it around half a dozen times (possibly more). He even dragged me to see it once, the only time I’ve seen a Broadway show. Many of my colleagues on the school paper had the cast album, and blared it on production nights. Well, now most of the original cast is back for the movie version, and it is just so freakin’ weird to see this attempt to recapture a particular moment of cultural history. (I don’t know if the story of the movie has been updated to take place now or if it’s still set in the 90s.)

And the more I’ve thought about that, the more I realize that there is a part of my pop culture brain that is permanently stuck about ten years in the past. I was grocery shopping the other day and found myself singing along to a Gin Blossoms song from 1993. Heck, even when I listen to alternative radio these days, it’s WXPN, the adult alternative station. I use an episode of Babylon 5 called “Passing Through Gethsemane” in some of my classes at Temple to talk about the thorny issues of personal identity. And it hit me the other day that the episode is about ten years old, so that there’s a very high likelihood that today’s 18- and 19-year olds will find it dated. But these things don’t feel old to me. My memories of encountering them for the first time are still vivid enough that they feel fresh It’s interesting that, much as I try and keep up with how technology and other things are changing the world we live in, there’s still some part of my self-understanding that includes the not-really-recent-anymore past as part of its image of the present..